An Open Letter to Ali Sina by Al-Ansar
Posted by musliminsuffer on October 9, 2008
In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful
=== News Update ===
[Note: Ali Sina (a fake name) is no more than a mental patient having rabies behavior who has been attacking Islam, Muslims and Prophet Muhammad in the most evil and sinister ways from rat-hole since 9-11 drama. He was told by his masters that the Quran and Prophet Muhammad did it! Since then he has been barking against Prophet Muhammad like a rabid dog. He is not just a critic of Islam and Muhammad. He is MUCH more than that. He repeatedly says that he has no problem with other religions, their followers and founders. They are all like angels to him. He also promotes his masters' religion! His only target is Islam, Muslims and Prophet Muhammad. He has been given the task to eradicate Islam from the face of the earth and to convert all Muslims to his masters' religion! So far, he has been able to convert some foolhardy clowns from poor and unfortunate Muzlim, not Muslim, background like Syed Kamran Mirza, Asghar, Abul Kasem etc. who were never Muslim in the first place and they also write against Islam, Muslims and Prophet Muhammad from rat-hole to please their masters! He gets very angry and frustrated when he sees thousands of westerners converting to Islam every year! But he becomes very happy when he hears some poor and foolhardy Muzlims converting to his masters' religion! His masters are not that happy on their slave's very poor and idiotic performance though! Anyway, please go through Al-Ansar's open letter to this mental patient.]
An Open Letter to Ali Sina by Al-Ansar
Hello Mr Ali Sina,
I was surprised when I visited your website Mr Sina, when I encountered such ignorance and blatant disregard for the truth. You amaze me Mr Sina. You are one of the few people who I have encountered with such a naive and idiotic viewpoint towards worldly affairs and the religion of Islam. Indeed it is amazing how someone with no training in Islamic scholarship and obviously lacking in some of the most basic aspects of Islamic knowledge would have the arrogance to challenge the greatest scholars of Islam for a debate. The amount of arrogance that an anonymous person off of the internet could carry is astounding, considering the fact that you actually expect the great scholars to come to your little-known forum and play by your rules of the debate. You also refuse to debate Muslims in public or even on audio, citing safety concerns. It truly is amazing how cowardly a man like you can be Mr Sina. People like Wafa Sultan and Robert Spencer regularly appear on national television cursing Islam, yet they haven’t been assassinated have they? Mr Sina, your arguments would be laughed at by the great scholars and they will dismiss you as a delusional man with too much time on his hands. Surely it is obvious that no one can ever “win” a debate against you, since you are the judge of your own debates and you are the one who decides whether the Muslim was successful or not. Therefore, your “challenge” is subjective as well as illogical. And no Mr Sina, the public is not the judge of your debates, since you aren’t exactly mailing ballots to all those who visit your website. Exactly what are you accomplishing Mr Sina from spending so much effort into your website? How many Muslims have you managed to make denounce Islam? 4? 5? Maybe 10? How is this “accomplishment” going to solve the problem of world peace?
How is reaching back 14 centuries to assess the life of a 7th century Bedouin going to solve the problem of world peace? If you truly were against Islam because, “It orders it’s followers to kill all non-believers”, then you would focus on the aspects of political Islam, and it’s effects and causes, instead of worrying about the life of a man who isn’t even here to defend himself personally. Even if your Muslim challenger does “disprove” all of your charges, exactly what is the end result Mr Sina? Ok suddenly, a man who lived 1400 years ago isn’t a criminal. Now tell me how such matters are important at all. Shouldn’t the character of Muhammad strictly be a topic discussed amongst the Muslims, since it affects only them and no one else? And even if he wasn’t a criminal as you claim, then this does not prove his Prophethood. I’m not a murderer, rapist, sex-offender or robber; does this mean that I am a Prophet? I can’t believe you aren’t able to see how stupid this challenge is. And reaching back into history to assess the life of a 7th century man isn’t exactly going to solve the “problem” of political Islam. You even said on your website, “I oppose Islam because it tells it’s followers to kill Non-Muslims.” Well if that were true, then there is no point and end-goal of studying the life of Muhammad. If we do disprove these charges, the disproval will not “prove” that political Islam doesn’t advocate the deaths of all Non-Believers.
After all, if you truly were against Islam for these reasons, then you would focus solely on the “intolerant” verses of the Quran and the actions of modern-day Muslims. No, you set up this website because you want to legitimize your trashing of a man who isn’t even alive to defend himself personally. You haven’t been able to prove that he harmed ANYONE who didn’t directly harm him at first, and even the Quran states clearly that we are only allowed to fight those who fight us first (2:190) There are those of your disciples who claim that Surah 2:190 was “abrogated” by Surah 9, although a close reading of Surah 9 again proves that Jihad is only a defensive warfare against those who harm the Muslim nation or those who practice injustice. Hence, if you study Islamic history, you would notice that the early Muslims did not wage war against the Abyssinian Empire, although we did have the means and capability of doing so.
These facts alone demolish your entire basis of attacking Islam as a religion which authorizes the unjustified attacks of Non-Muslim nations. And if you were against Islam because of these reasons, then why don’t you study the teachings of the Jewish scriptures which DO authorize the murder of Non-Believers? Certainly, a study of the Old Testament proves that Old Testament figures such as Moses and Joshua DO have a lot of blood on their hands. Biblical verses such as 2 Chronicles 15:13 don’t bother you at all, because you are selective in your criticism and you hypocritically attack Islam for aspects which are also found in other religions. It is obvious that you do not want to bite the hand that feeds you. And on what basis are you levying your charges against the Holy Prophet anyway? Who do you think you are, sitting on your chair assuming that you are judge, jury and executioner of an unfair and illogical debate and then arrogantly assume that Muslims all over the world do not have the ability to take you on in a debate. You complain about Muslim presence in Western nations, such as Canada and the USA, although there are Non-Muslim MILITARY BASES on our soil. Certainly you cannot find any Iranian warships patrolling the beaches of Los Angeles or Maine. The Muslims in the West arrive with passports and suitcases, while the Non-Muslims in the Islamic world arrive with tanks and warships. So what right do you have to complain about the rapid growth of mosques all over the USA and Canada, when your military presence is found all over the Middle East!!
And you are a man who is not disturbed by the massacres carried out in Palestine, in Kashmir, in Bosnia, in Chechnya, and in Mogadishu, because the victims here are Muslims being massacred by Non-Muslims! After all, you claim that Muslims are the ones doing the killing all over the world and these are one of the reasons why you oppose Islam. You condemn the killing of Nick Berg whilst turning a blind eye to those who drop napalm bombs and cluster bombs on innocent civilians. After all, according to your flawed logic, taking out entire villages with several bombs isn’t as bad as a quick beheading with a knife. You Mr Sina, need to get your priorities straight, and you need to recognize WHO it is that is the threat to world peace and prosperity. You speak out against suicide bombs and executions which occur rarely in the Islamic world, yet you turn a blind eye against what goes on in your backyard. Why don’t you speak out against the gangs of Los Angeles and Detroit? Why don’t you speak out against the rising crime rates in Toronto and Edmonton? Why don’t you criticize the frequency of rape found in cities such as Atlanta and Dallas? No, you have problems in your own backyard yet you demand that Muslims stop the killing.
I suggest that you clean up your act before you come speak to us about our behavior. And regarding the suicide bombings in Iraq, tell me which army is stationed there? This was not a serious problem during the reign of Saddam Hussein and this phenomenon began in 2003. And blowing up a marketplace has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. Recently a bomb exploded in a mosque in Iraq, killing dozens of civilians. Now tell me: WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM WOULD BLOW UP A MOSQUE? It is obvious that these actions have nothing to do with Islam whatsoever and have no basis in our religion. You claim incidents such as these show the true face of Islam yet you do not bring any evidence from the Islamic scriptures which back up your claim. All you manage to do is bring verses from the Quran out of context and claim that it advocates this and that. Well in case you do not know Mr Sina, vigilantism is forbidden in Islam and it was never practiced by the Islamic community, laying to rest your claims that such incidents as the murder of Aqsa Parvez show the true face of Islam.
According to you, having a society filled with hoodlums blowing up mosques and shooting random people is what Islam projects a society to be like, showing how vastly ignorant you are of Islam. You are intentionally lying and misleading thousands of otherwise neutral Non-Muslims away from the truth of Islam, and I can’t understand what goes on through your mind when you do such a thing. We are 1.5 billion strong Mr Sina, and Islam isn’t going anywhere. However hard you wish, you will never be able to eradicate Islam, and insulting Islam from behind your keyboard really won’t make a significant amount of Muslims leave Islam. There is a saying, “Every hour a true sucker is born.”
It truly amazes me how naive you are Mr Sina, as if “proving” that a 7th century man was a criminal really is going to solve the problem of world peace. You act as if the majority of the Muslims aren’t aware of what is written in the Islamic scriptures, proving how naive and arrogant you are. We do know of the stories of the Banu Qurayza, the Jews of Khaybar, and the marriage of Aisha, but we do not take such incidents as a first priority and we definitely do not allow these incidents to define our religion as a whole. You blatantly misunderstand Islam and pick and choose pieces of the religion which you like, disregarding writings which do not agree with what you believe. You know, people as ignorant and naive as you come along once in a century Mr Sina, and I really do enjoy laughing at how you embarrass yourself here as nothing more than a weirdo.
Al-Ansar
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW
thinkomatic said
Dear MS,
The strongest argument I know against the authenticity of Islamic revelation is that the Golden Rule is missing from the Koran.
The marauding, expansionist political movement of the 7th century which practiced a brutal, parasitic gangsterism against their neighbours in complete violation of the Golden Rule, could not have been motivated by an authentic religious urge. Their brutality is what inspires modern suicide bombers. We must ask, “What is the reason the Golden Rule is not in the Koran, or Hadiths or Sira?”
Thinking people can only come to one conclusion: Since Almighty Allah is his infinite wisdom did not put the universal Golden Rule into the Noble Koran, it is of no importance in Islam and Muslims have no reason to observe it. Since Islam’s most important message to humanity (the Noble Koran) does not contain the Golden Rule, it is logical that it was not recommended by Allah and is not part of Islam. This explains why he entirely omitted it from the Koran. The Golden Rule is held to be central by all religions except Islam. Muslims are surprised to learn their faith does not teach it. Because the theory of the Koran is that it is perfect, Muslims have absolutely no right to bring the Golden Rule into Islam, since this would be “innovation” and a grave sin of blasphemy. One sees that a universal Golden Rule would have made it impossible for Mohammed and his gang to practice their rape of captives, plunder, torture, murder and enslavement.
Five hundred years after Mohammed, a very restricted version of the principle of reciprocity appeared in Islamic commentaries. This rule applies only among “brother” Muslims. This Islamic “brotherhood rule” is not universal and does not apply to non-Muslims.
Islamic reciprocity is restricted to interactions between Muslim “brothers”. (An infidel is not to be addressed as “brother” by a Muslim.)
The Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” (Number 13 of Imam al-Nawawi’s “Forty Hadiths.)
Other Hadiths clarify the limitation of reciprocity to relations between Muslim brothers:
Bukhari 9,85,83 Mohammed said: “A Muslim is a brother to other Muslims. He should never oppress them nor should he facilitate their oppression.” (Note: but he may oppress infidels)
Bukhari 8,73,70 Mohammed said: “Harming a Muslim is an evil act; killing a Muslim means rejecting Allah.” (Note: but harming or killing an infidel is a mere misdemeanour.)
Finally, the Koran itself makes it clear that brotherhood applies only towards other Muslims: (Koran 48:29): “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are harsh against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
Such a standard is no higher than that of the mafia or another similar “crime family”. Islam does teach this, and there is the proof of it.
Islam divides the entire world into Islam and the Kafirs (unbelievers) and has two separate sets of ethics for each sphere.
The basis of the Golden Rule is the universal equality of all humankind, regardless of their religion, race or origin. It does not say: Do unto some persons, as you would have them do unto you, but do unto all persons as you would have them do unto you.
Islam denies the universality of the Golden Rule because Islam starts with the division of all humanity, into two different groups: Islamic and non-Islamic. Every aspect of Islamic ethics is based upon this separation, thus Islam has two different ethical codes. Said another way, Islam has dualistic ethics. Thus, in Islam, “Good” is whatever advances Islam; “Evil” is whatever resists Islam. This principle is called “opportunism” and is diametrically opposite to the altruism of the Golden Rule.
In the Koran, the main concern is that of forcing the peoples of the earth to submit to Islam and then keeping them in it, as slaves in a mental prison. Thus, Allah did not forget to include 164 verses commanding Muslims to go on jihaad (holy wars of conquest) and many verses commanding Muslims to murder “hypocrites” and renegades from Islam who do not commit jihaad. Such verses are opposed to and irreconcilable with the Golden Rule.
For me, this is the strongest argument against Islam: The Golden Rule is missing from the Koran.
musliminsuffer said
no twinkle winkle, you miss the point, mr ansar never talk about ali sina’s stupid golden rule!
and because of your lack of knowledge and poor understanding of al Qur’an, your comments is laughable and pity.
Al Qur’an is full of good and noble think, it guides every muslim in harmony and dignity. Yes, indeed al Qur’an is applied for muslim only; but it guides muslim how to live in the world and how to make social relationship with other people. We muslims never start the conflict. But when you hurt me and start war with me, al Qur’an give explanation how to face the enemy!
How about your bible twinkle winkle, have you ever read your bible?
Real Terrorism, Genocide, Hatred and Racism in the Bible!
Terrorism and Genocide on innocent people:
Jesus says: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I come not to send peace, but a sword.” [Matthew 10:34]
Jesus says: “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.” [Luke 12:51-2]
Jesus says: “But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” [Luke 19:27]
Jesus says: “I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.” [Matthew 10:35-6]
Jesus says: “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” [John 15:6]
“Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women.” [Ezekiel 9:5-6]
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” [1 Samuel 15:3]
“They fought against Midian; as the LORD commanded Moses, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” [Numbers 31:7, 17-18]
“Slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.” [Exodus 32:27]
“Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” [Isaiah 13:16]
“And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.” [Numbers 31:7]
“And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the top of the rock Etam.” [Judges 15:8]
“Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.” [Deuteronomy 13:15]
“And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.” [Numbers 1:51]
“But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.” [Deuteronomy 20:17]
“Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?” [1 Samuel 29:5]
Jesus says: “And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.” [Matthew 26:51]
“Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God.” [Deuteronomy 13:8-10]
“And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes.” [1 Chronicles 20:3]
“But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.” [Deuteronomy 20:14]
“And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.”
[Deuteronomy 2:34-35]
All non-Jews and non-Christians must be stoned to death:
“And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.” [Deuteronomy 17:3-5]
“All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.” [2 Chronicles 15:13]
Hatred and racism:
Jesus says: “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” [Luke 14:26]
Jesus says: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs (non-Jews), neither cast ye your pearls before swine (non-Jews).” [Matthew 7:6]
Jesus says: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs (non-Jews).” [Matthew 15:24-26]
“Atheists are fool. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. They are filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” [Psalms 14:1-3]
Honor killing:
Jesus says: “For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’” [Matthew 15:4]
The death of innocent people:
“If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.” [Deuteronomy 22:22]
“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.” [Leviticus 20:10]
Can you explain why one would be punished for saying ”you fool” is this not too harsh? [Mathew 5:22]
Rape and the spoils of war:
“They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.” [Judges 5:30 ]
“Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.” [Zechariah 14:1-2]
These are just some samples! Tones of more similar verses can be shown!
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